ScoobyBlueClassic

It’s an S1 mate, quick audis tend to me boring but this one isn’t. Surprisingly. Anyway I don’t plan on pushing my scooby to the limit when it is all done!

Very few I imagine. Previous owner was an old chap so don’t imagine it’s been through the wars but a lot of short journeys? Going to take their toll on the engine probably more than longer ones. Engine is being stripped now, photos to follow

That’s brilliant, thanks a lot mate for the detailed response and ideas. Honestly I’ve got no interest (currently) in having more power. She’s an old girl and needs looking after 😉 I’ve got this beast when I want to tear it up with the boy racers! Haha

Did the 99 have slightly different BHP and torque? Like 215 versus 208bhp? Or did I dream that? Presume looms etc are the same in the classic? If so I don’t really intend to remap but always happy to have a spares, pm me your PayPal if that ok mate? Much appreciate the offer

I didn’t think the ecu on the 98 turbo was remappable? Might be wrong. I know what you mean, they build tolerances in to the standard maps which you don’t necessarily need. I’ve gone for a full rebuild on the 2.0 including new block just because current one has had 22 years of heating up and cooling down - it ain’t cheap but it’ll sort the engine out for the next 10-20 years. Hopefully valves etc are ok that’ll keep the costs down a bit. Gearbox and diff are just having seals done, nothing obviously wrong with them.

Thanks again. I don’t think I’ll make money anytime soon on it, this is really about preserving something in its original guise. And yes hopefully in time that originality makes it more desirable. Definitely not doing the 2.1 now if it will need a remap that’s certainly too far away from stock for me. I have a G40 that’s modded so can always have fun with that if I want to tinker some more. I was asked if I wanted the shocks painted white which would probably look quite smart but if they came out of factory black Black they stay Same with break callipers, red would look nice but they are getting repainted in black As far as I know there is nothing wrong with the gearbox and diff so I’ll just go for new seals 👍🏻 cheers again

Waiting price on refresh work. What would be a fair price range would you think? I got the quote through on the 2.1 build and it wasn’t as expensive as I thought it might be but it’s all relative I suppose (was initially thinking £7k but was cheaper than that). Would it be worth doing a gearbox and diff strip and rebuild new seals etc while we’re here? That’ll set me back another £1k, nothing particularly suggesting they need doing but it’s all getting on in years now so might be prudent? Thanks again

Thanks again. I’ll get them to price up the based on the above work and see what that looks like. Really appreciate the advice 👍🏻

Thanks both. I want to keep it stock power wise so was really against any changes that could stop me saying it’s stock. However given there seemed little difference in price between the two (2.0 or 2.1) ~£1k I was tempted by the notion that it would improve the standard engine (and give someone the option to do a power upgrade in future if I ever sell). Savage you’ve convinced me that I’m going to stick with stock block so appreciate that - if I wanted to get the head gasket replaced now (as it’s weeping, they say probably ok for a year or 3 but no guarantees and all that) and engine is out what parts should I replace? they spoke about risk of warping (do these not skim well? Are they generally always a pain after head gasket is replaced?) and better to just buy new which really pushes the cost up (we’re talking £5k or more all done). I could go down the refurb route but I’d not scrimp for the sake a £1k - do it once, do it right.

Sorry to hear that, hidden killer. Yes and front and rear subframes are coming off for shot blasting.

Thank-yoi for the tip. Yes been checked, tiny amount of rust starting that’ll get sorted - nothing nasty thankfully!!

Thanks both I have a question I need to get back on. So the car has a slight weep in the head gasket it’s not gone or anything like that so I have 3 choices as engine is out of car: Pop engine back as is and know I’ll face a rebuild in future Or have work done now (new casing etc) which gives me 2options. Rebuild as a 2.0 stroke or rebuild as a 2.1 stroke using 2.5 crank and Mahle forged pistons. Now keeping in mind I know nothing about these cars and I will keep it OEM power but I understand it would rev a little more freely and sound quieter, taking a bit of pressure of the turbo. or finally use a new STI deck block rather than rebuild as above (slightly cheaper). What would be the most sensible option ? Thanks a lot

Car is getting stripped now. A few photos

Well d day arrived this week and it’s in the garage now. Will update this thread as work progresses. Car was once featured in the motoring press under the title “World’s top car is...” and I have the article with the car which I’ll share when it all gets to me.

I have admiral multi car and got to say it’s brilliant. £180 a year for my standard 98 uk turbo with all other cars. I pay just under £2k a year for: Audi S1 Audi A8L 3.0 TDi Vauxhall Adam 1.2 (daughters car insured as a learner) VW Beetle 1600 (5k max miles per year) Mk1 Golf GTi (1.8, 2k miles max per year) and the ‘98 Scooby UK turbo (2k miles max per year) Got to add the Polo G40 (1.3 supercharged with mods declared, running circa 150bhp, again will be 2k mile max per year) so see if they fancy that when the time arrives. All fully comp and think I’ve got £450 total excess including voluntary on all cars. As wife has 10 years NCB they gave me 4 years NCB on the Scooby and on daughters Adam. Already had better NCBs on the other cars.

As suggested a little build thread for my 1998 UK classic “restore”. I’m more into my German metal currently owning a Mk1 Golf and soon to be joined by another Polo G40 having owned one before and found another and the daily is an Audi S1. Not really been passionate about Scoobies really either I prefer subtle cars (although 4 !Removed! pipes on the S1 isn’t really subtle). Anyway I saw this Scooby on Autotrader and thought when will I get another chance to own one like this? Car is completely original, no mods, and done 60k miles. So on to the restore; well I say “restore” but it’s more of a thorough going over of body and engine/gearbox/drive train. There are no major issues but lots of smaller ones and the odd larger one...probably better than average after 22 years and probably little more than general maintenance having been carried out. Car has had a bit of welding in the past but it’s general solid having been checked over by a specialist. Talking of specialists I don’t have the time or knowledge on these cars so have “cheated” and outsourced the work to one and the car is booked to go in on 18th Jan and should take about 6-8 weeks from there if all goes to plan (famous last words). I should be getting regular photo and progress updates which I’ll share A brief outline of the work to be under taken: Parking dents Engine out and clean bay Rear main seal and oil separator plate Cam seals Gearbox seals Front oil pump seal Side shaft seals Remove rust on underside Powder coat and sand blast front and rear subframes Clean and re-furbish differential Waxoyl under body Replace timing belt kit Address misfire; hopefully plugs or leads Replace all oils and fluids Zinc coat under body bolts New under body bushes Sort out leak into boot Objective is to end up with a UK classic that remains fully OEM, usable (in the dry only) and should be good for the next 10-20 years. This is how it stands now

Added oil separator plate to the list Balance of car paid today so no turning back now.

Thanks for that. I’ll mention the oil separator plate. Max did say there was some water in the wheel well if memory serves me well so I’ll re-mention that to him to replace the seals

Thanks for the advice on panels. Is version 4 the number of incarnations/updates this model had by 1998? Assuming it’s a MY98? It is pretty clean and straight from what I’ve been told. This is a rough idea of what will be getting done, idea being this will sort it out for the next decade (hopefully, it won’t have a hard life): Remove parking dents Engine out, clean engine bay Replace rear main seal, cam seals, gearbox seals, front oil pump seal and side shaft seals Remove rust on underside Power coat and sand blast front and rear subframes Clean and re-furbish differential Waxoyl under body Replace timing belt kit Fix engine misfire..Plugs or leads hopefully Replace all oils and fluids Zinc coat under body bolts New under body bushes I’m actually getting quite excited about this. Less so about having to tell management aka the missus!!

Well I’ve bit the bullet and going for it. Going to cost a fair bit more than originally thought to sort out properly but if you’re going to do it, do it right and do it once. Spent too many years chasing rust around my VWs to want to do a half hearted job on this. Restoration should begin first week of Jan and be done by end of Feb or so. Will get a build thread started once we get underway with a list of all the work that’s being carried out on it

Oh and I’m having Hurst of Bedford do the work. They seem pretty decent and knowledgeable

Thanks again for the welcome and thoughts. This is the car I’ve put a deposit down on and having checked over. Still waiting for the full list of what needs doing but no one has told me it’s a terrible idea so if nothing horrible comes up I’m going to do it. I can’t link to the ad for some reason so forgive the screen grabs. Owned by an elderly chap who now unfortunately has gone into care. 60k miles on the clock, 100% original I believe. My restore thread will be pictures of me paying money over to those with more time and skill than me but I’ll be glad to share what I learn along the way

Thanks a lot for your insight. I intend to keep it indefinitely, at least for the foreseeable future

Hi all I’m looking for some enlightenment from you knowledgeable scooby owners. I’m potentially about to purchase my first scooby. A 98 UK turbo classic. And I am self confessed as not having a clue/scooby do about them. What I find a little baffling as a new comer to the scooby “scene” is all the different variety of scoobies, uk cars, parallel imports, other imports and with widely differing values. Obviously limited editions etc will attract a premium. I’ve never been massively in to my scoobies before but there is something about this car that triggered my “ooooh” button. Now before I continue I have other “modern classic” cars so know what it takes to look after one....and rust god I know about rust. What I don’t want to do is throw good money at a car that just simply isn’t worth it and by that I mean I’ve seen Nissan bluebirds that folk want £10k+ for just because they are old. But they were rubbish cars back then and not desirable. So won’t ever be worth that type of money (IMHO of course one mans rubbish is another mans treasure and all that). The car in question is original UK awd turbo. Very low miles and 100% original no mods whatsoever. So far so good I know it has some corrosion issues from past MOTs so I had it shipped to a scooby specialist to check up the turrets etc and they have uncovered a decent list of issues for a 22 year old car that has been used and maintained in the UK since new but not wrapped in cotton wool (needs engine and gearbox work along with some general wear items and sorting out some areas of rust...but the car is described as pretty solid). It’s going to cost be about £4-5k to have them sort it all out and get the whole car rust proofed which will give me a car that is top notch (would probably need a full respray to be a show pony but I’m not looking for that, just something honest and not chasing rust and problems around it). With purchase price this will stand me about £10k or so all in for a low mile, original classic. I’m not worried about having a car worth less than I have invested but it is an investment of sorts so I’m keen to know if these standard UK classic scoobys are seen as desirable. Or are they avoided like the plague by those in the know. Like a Golf GTI is desirable but not a mk3 golf gti 8v these should all be scrapped at the first opportunity. It would give me great pleasure to get this car sorted out and kept if it is worth doing but do I take the plunge? I hope this all makes sense Cheers