Gambit

Scooby Pete or Jay might know, so will leave it to them ;)

Haha I don't think I've ever been kicked out of a Forza game. Well I've just bought a mic but won't be here until next weekend, well Tuesday at the latest but be after the 1st race night. So you wont be able to hear me doing my s*x pest phone call noises :(

Stunning mate I like it a lot. Look's like a great buy it would be everything I want in a 330 :)

Yeah it would be like a book time I had finished Haha. And I have a bottle of vodka to drink now so a day well spent ;)

I like anything naked ;) grrrrrrr

Right after doing much reading up on this, this has become my conclusion :) Yes he did do attacks on people but was more forced to have to do them to get a voice heard. With being black in those times he would have been shot just for trying to bring dispute to the already corrupt power that was in place. Now this is a bit of a dark patch and couldn't find much out about this. But was he fighting for these rights he's spoke about when he was in the group (ANC) And was they with him in the same quest when doing the bombings. Or was it later on when he was in Prison he thought about it. But anyway I couldn't find answers to that. But Ronald Reagan is the guy who 1st called him and the group terrorists followed by Thatcher who also wanted him executed. Reagan got him put in prison and also got him back out of prison. yada yada I'm waffling now :) But I'm guessing from what I have read, he did do things that is seen as bad but was left no choice in that time. But turned all his wrongs into good. That is my view so faith is restored :D

Ohhh shiny :) I hope that big old fella brings me something nice and empties his sack ;)

Oh great can see you just going round a track on your own at this rate :D

No god dam it try harder next time pfft ;)

Nope

Sounds like a pleb to me. I would report him to ebay anyway I'm sure as a seller they will remove his account it states it's a binding contract when you list stuff. And as Jay said he should have reserved them. And why does he think he will get that for a collection only item. Hell I know anything I sell if it's pick up only doesn't sell for the same amount as a postage item :(

I'm having to use my PC TV with the time my missus will be using the big TV And it sucks I tested it last night and it's awful to put it mildly :D But will do until I can fix or buy another Sony one I had screen's broken on it :( And look's like you will be host then mate ;)

Thats from a clip I have read. Like I say I will read more before I make my mind up but I will say I won't judge his actions based on other peoples thoughts

3 Things You Didn’t (Want To) Know About Nelson Mandela The hero of the anti-apartheid struggle was not the saint we want him to be. The image of Nelson Mandela as a selfless, humble, freedom fighter turned cheerful, kindly old man, is well established in the West. If there is any international leader on whom we can universally heap praise it is surely he. But get past the halo we’ve placed on him without his permission, and Nelson Mandela had more than a few flaws which deserve attention. He signed off on the deaths of innocent people, lots of them Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights -Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983 -Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985 -Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988 -Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986 -Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead -Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987 -Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988 Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.” As President he bought a lot of military hardware Inheriting a country with criminally deep socio-ecnomic problems, one might expect resources to be poured into redressing the imbalances of apartheid. Yet once in office, even Mandela’s government slipped into the custom of putting national corporatism, power and prestige above its people. Deputy Minister of Defence Ronnie Kasrils said in 1995 that the government’s planned cuts in defence spending could also result in the loss of as many as 90,000 jobs in defence-related industries. Mandela’s government announced in November 1998 that it intended to purchase 28 BAE/SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft from Sweden at a cost of R10.875 billion, i.e. R388 million (about US$65 million) per plane. Clearly, the all-powerful air armadas of Botswana weighed heavily on the minds of South African leaders… Not content with jets, in 1999 a US$4.8 billion (R30 billion in 1999 rands) purchase of weaponry was finalised, which has been subject to allegations of corruption. The South African Department of Defence’s Strategic Defence Acquisition purchased a slew of shiny new weapons, including frigates, submarines, corvettes, light utility helicopters, fighter jet trainers and advanced light fighter aircraft. Below are some of the purchases made, presumably to keep the expansionist intentions of Madagascar at bay… Description Original Qty Illustrative total cost Corvettes 4 R4 billion Maritime helicopter for corvettes 5 R1 billion New submarines to replace Daphne 4 R5,5 billion Alouette helicopter replacement 60 R2 billion Advanced light fighter 48 R6-9 billion Main Battle Tank replacement of Olifant 154 R6 billion Total cost in 1998 Rand R25-38 billion Mandela was friendly with dictators Despite being synonymous with freedom and democracy, Mandela was never afraid to glad hand the thugs and tyrants of the international arena. General Sani Abacha seized power in Nigeria in a military coup in November 1993. From the start of his presidency, in May 1994, Nelson Mandela refrained from publicly condemning Abacha’s actions. Up until the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in November 1995 the ANC government vigorously opposed the imposition of sanctions against Nigeria. Shortly before the meeting Mandela’s spokesman, Parks Mankahlana, said that “quiet persuasion” would yield better results than coercion. Even after the Nigerian government announced the death sentences against Saro-Wiwa and eight other Ogoni activists, during the summit, Mandela refused to condemn the Abacha regime or countenance the imposition of sanctions. Two of the ANC’s biggest donors, in the 1990s, were Colonel Muammar Gaddafi of Libya and President Suharto of Indonesia . Not only did Mandela refrain from criticising their lamentable human rights records but he interceded diplomatically on their behalf, and awarded them South Africa ‘s highest honour. Suharto was awarded a state visit, a 21-gun salute, and The Order of Good Hope (gold class). In April 1999 Mandela acknowledged to an audience in Johannesburg that Suharto had given the ANC a total of 60 million dollars. An initial donation of 50 million dollars had been followed up by a further 10 million. The Telegraph ( London ) reported that Gaddafi was known to have given the ANC well over ten million dollars. The apartheid regime was a crime against humanity; as illogical as it was cruel. It is tempting, therefore, to simplify the subject by declaring that all who opposed it were wholly and unswervingly good. It’s important to remember, however, that Mandela has been the first to hold his hands up to his shortcomings and mistakes. In books and speeches, he goes to great length to admit his errors. The real tragedy is that too many in the West can’t bring themselves to see what the great man himself has said all along; that he’s just as flawed as the rest of us, and should not be put on a pedestal.

I like to find facts before I judge just seems to me some people read something and take it as gospel :)

Same movie by the way as the other picture

Spotted in Cleethorpes last night in the storms

Cheers will give them a read too been doing loads, not sure how much is right and so on amazing how quick some people turn it to being racist. Not my words just what someone felt the need to say whilst I have been reading up that "Africa was never a black country they took over it." in as many words not sure why that had anything to do with Mandela but gives you an idea of the crap I'm reading through. I do know the only people to brand him a terrorist was Ronald Reagan and Thatcher, And it was Reagan that helped put him in prison and also got him out I think this will call for a drink soon :D

I'm just curious now though with always seeing him as this great iconic figure :)

Yup me too I am a bit of a geek :)

I was just reading through that even when he got voted as President he didn't really change anything white farmers was still being murdered in South Africa by the same group he was in and still brushed shoulders with some of the worlds more powered people to put it nicely. I can't remember much about it was either to young to remember or was to busy still playing with toy guns :D

Seeing lot's of mixed views on this guy now.Saying he's not the freedom fight that we are being told he was with mass bombings on public people.

Least you can list the problems you had too and how you worked around it :)

Haha lots of swearing then :)