Dogconker

I've had this before, I went down the road of not paying any more than agreed, and every day from now that we don't agree a price and a pick up I'm going to drop my offer by £100, they're trying it on and they won't be willing for you not to pick it up. This method focuses the mind and they risk getting stuck with it. Stuck to your guns he's just being a nob.

It is good, but it should never have been that much of a fight, I have no issue with there being a fault in the car. I just need to know that the dealer knows what it is and that it can, and will be sorted. Cars are complex they go wrong, not a problem. If they'd have come back and said there's a know fault with some of the glow plugs, we'll put some new ones in and it'll be fine. I'd have just been like, very good crack on.

Yep, just flush and glow plugs, oils etc.

Anyway, wife's XV saga seems to have reached its end finally, picked the car up this morning. Dealer said they'd just flushed the engine out to decoke it and it'll be fine now, oh and they've replaced the glow plugs, didn't clock this at the time but if it's just a bit of come build up, why did they replace £700 of glow plugs? Curious? Anyway car now drives fine, in fact it drives better now than at any time since we drive it off the forecourt which suggests to me that faulty glow plugs have caused the whole problem with coking and power loss, shuddering etc. They're now saying the issue with the other forester was a different issue. But they're pretty cagey about disclosing what the cause was with either car.

Pigeons generally not as hard as cars, you'd be pretty unlucky to damage a car hitting a pigeon, we hit one in our crv on the leading edge of the bonnet at about 70mph, the pigeon ( unfortunately for it) sort if exploded, no damage just a difficult clean up job. It's the waxy substance on the wings that's the problem to get off. Unfortunately pigeon will often die even with a small bump through shock, sorry. I did hit one in my XV and it did start to fly afterwards and I though it was going to be ok but the truck behind hit it and I think that was that. When your numbers up I guess [emoji19]

Would probably invalidate warranty. Been in there today to have it out with dealers. They're insistent that it's just carbon deposits and that an engine flush will sort it out and they're doing that tomorrow. Fingers crossed, for their sake!

Best one is, they say it just needs a flush but they've identified carbon build up in the forester behind the piston rings. Now I'm now expert but I thought the only way that could happen is if the piston rings weren't sealing, which would lead to loss of power, loss of compression and inefficient fuel burn which would lead to coking up? Or maybe I'm just being too suspicious?

The dealer manager is the one who told me the owner had picked his car up on Friday[emoji20]

Well, update on wife's XV. Phoned dealer they said that they hadn't even driven the car in the shop yet (dropped off on Saturday). Not sure what's going on but I'm clearly being told some fibs somewhere. They actually said on Saturday that the other forester was picked up by owner on Friday and he'd said it seemed fine, funny then that today I'm being told that they've just finished his forester this afternoon. Need to get to the bottom of this

Probably playing flight sims.

Personally I think nurburgring and TT not lightweight and heavyweight, it's more like party and mental asylum. Nurburgring is a challenge where people with a certain amount if skill can have a lot of fun with some danger. The TT is for people who have not so much lost the will to live but who now believe they can't die. You'd have to believe that to do ride a crotch rocket around it. I take this view, in a car I'd happily drive the nurburgring at speed, I wouldn't ride round my local car park on a motorbike, let alone the TT curcuit

I got pulled up on the Stourbridge ring road for drifting around it at 3am when I was a young stupid boy racer, they pulled me over and sat me in the car for nearly an hour bagging on about how dangerous my driving was then said, "right we've no intention of booking you, what you did was wrong and we've !Removed! you up for the last hour by making out you're gonna get done for dangerous driving, but it's 4am now and we knock off at 5 and can't be bothered to do a load of paperwork because of silly sod like you, get in your car and drive home, I don't want a single wheel spin and if we see you being silly again you're booked" I had a 200bhp rear wheel drive manta and it was wet so I had to pretend the car wouldn't start so they'd go, if I'd have tried to pull away it would have spun the wheels, it just didn't matter how careful you were, good old live axle[emoji2]

I agree in part with what you're saying but I don't think death rate is a fair assessment if which is harder. The reality is on the nurburgring most racers are surrounded by a big metal box reinforced with loads of tubing. On the isle if man TT most racers are surrounded by a leather onsie and a metal bucket with a hole in the front to see out of. Not many people die in cars in Motorsport compared to motorcycles. I don't believe anyone has died on the circuit during TT weekend in a car (though obviously mad Sunday doesn't count. I'm on about official laps). Not saying nurburgring is more or less dangerous, it's just difficult to compare which is the harder track. Most deadly, agreed definitely TT track, but is it the most demanding track ?

But at least they're not on the phone and cutting you up. Well you'd hope not at least [emoji4]

Yeah and my dad drive it 40miles the next day to work before he phoned the garage. The stuff we did when we were kids eh? At least yours was ok. I launched my Opel manta once off a roundabout exit in Stafford, there's a steep downhill off it so you used to get a good 20-30ft flight but because it fell away you always had a soft landing, not sure what the cops would have said about it though [emoji3]

My brother hit a hump back bridge too fast and the car left the floor (significantly) being a family car it pitched up and landed heavily on its nose, he has to clip all the trim back on the bottom of the bumper, let's put it that way. It landed very heavy and he said it pulled to the left quite badly afterwards. My dad used to drive like Brian the snail too so he was pretty confused

My brother did that in my dad's company ford Scorpio about 10 yrs ago, he didn't tell my dad and my dad had to take the car back to the garage where he'd just had new shocks fitted, he ripped into then about the standard of their work. When he picked the car up they told him the shocks were fine but all the suspension arms were bent and that he should try slowing down. My brother didn't come clean for another 10yrs [emoji5]️

No nothing clean as a whistle and the DPF light hasn't even come on. Our neighbour is an Audi technician on their diesels and he says it's all a bit dodgy

Result is they will have the car for a few days to do an engine flush that takes a couple if hours, they're still saying it's just an engine flush. The other forester with similar problem was properly coked up, apparently even below the piston rings, which in my mind suggests that the piston rings couldn't be sealing if exhaust gasses are coking up below the rings. Me smelling a rat now[emoji15]

Not sure modern diesels would like that with the new DPFs they now have.

Agreed, I'm actually switching to nitro to use the cleanest highest grade fuel possible to protect the engine

Agreed, but the latest iteration of the Subaru diesel probably wouldn't survive the first tankful

Yep, Shell do Nitro+ now. It is definitely better diesel, but I'm currently testing whether worth the extra pennies, so far it looks like it is. I also get the feeling you can't run the new Euro5 engine on veggie oil, I think it'd due in a week, they don't even recommend using supermarket fuel

Run car to hull a couple if days ago on Shell Diesel Nitro, mpg went from 57 to 62ish, also noted additional low end torque and smoother acceleration so looks like it's well worth the extra 7p per litre for the XV. With the extra cleaning and engine protection will probably be a good decision. Overall it's not cheaper per 100miles, but looks about break even compared with standard diesel.

Also if you look on my website, it'll tell you what cars the designs are on, might make it easier