September 5, 20169 yr A good bar & plate top mount can work well . splitter fins & aftermarket scoops can help airflow. Lag/throttle response is not a misconception, V design front mount concepts were products of massive R&D and designed to reduce pipe run lengths & amount of bends . Indeed you can have more safety scope with front & front can exceed capabilities of a tmic but tmic is still very capable .
September 5, 20169 yr Author So all in all there really isn't much in it between the fmic and the tmic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 5, 20169 yr I'd say about 380bhp is good before you really need to look at FMIC IMO I'm still using top mount STI intercooler and won't be going past the 300bhp in my current car.
September 5, 20169 yr Author I have the top mount and mines pushing 340bhp I wanted to try get mine to 400+ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 5, 20169 yr 7 minutes ago, Mr B said: A good bar & plate top mount can work well . splitter fins & aftermarket scoops can help airflow. Lag/throttle response is not a misconception, V design front mount concepts were products of massive R&D and designed to reduce pipe run lengths & amount of bends . Indeed you can have more safety scope with front & front can exceed capabilities of a tmic but tmic is still very capable . If you get down to calculating it to that extent then yes there is a difference, however the difference isn't enough to be noticeable when driving. I remember there was a calculation branded around ages ago, but it was flawed because it took 3k rpm as a constant, not a varilable and also assumed the same constant flow rates. It's like reverse inlet manifolds, they do make some difference, but alot of work for not that much of a gain.
September 5, 20169 yr 7 minutes ago, macauleyp27 said: What Bhp is the standard intercooler good for ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 360 to 400max at close 400 they really can start struggle on hot day or heavily heat soaked car, bar & plate larger core solutions & ones with new scoop designs can handle closer to 500hp but ideally want water injection to run with it so intake temps are kept very safe allowing push ignition mapping more . What power do you require & what changes to the car do you want make !?
September 5, 20169 yr 10 minutes ago, macauleyp27 said: So all in all there really isn't much in it between the fmic and the tmic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes there is, as said its been tested to death and proven FMIC is the best option other than in the case of a tiny turbo (TD04). It simply comes down to physics don't lie. Heat rises and top mounts only get limited airflow from the scoop
September 5, 20169 yr 4 minutes ago, Mr B said: 360 to 400max at close 400 they really can start struggle on hot day or heavily heat soaked car, bar & plate larger core solutions & ones with new scoop designs can handle closer to 500hp but ideally want water injection to run with it so intake temps are kept very safe allowing push ignition mapping more . What power do you require & what changes to the car do you want make !? Then you have to worry about getting it all plumbed in, carrying the water around refilling it, heat soak at low speed etc etc
September 5, 20169 yr Author What Bhp is the standard intercooler good for ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 360 to 400max at close 400 they really can start struggle on hot day or heavily heat soaked car, bar & plate larger core solutions & ones with new scoop designs can handle closer to 500hp but ideally want water injection to run with it so intake temps are kept very safe allowing push ignition mapping more . What power do you require & what changes to the car do you want make !? Well I have been thinking of bigger turbo . Mine already has a lot of upgrades but I just want it to be hitting 400+ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 5, 20169 yr Author Where I'm new to this there is just so much to know lol it's crazy [emoji23] and also does anyone know what the TD05 20G turbos are like ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 5, 20169 yr Old tech. Much better options out there like SC42 or MD321 etc given better responce and better peak power
September 5, 20169 yr Author What sort of price would I be looking at for one of them turbos ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 5, 20169 yr http://shop.scoobyclinic.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=61_139&product_id=131 Can't find a direct link to a 321, most seem to just say call for price
September 5, 20169 yr 23 hours ago, macauleyp27 said: What Bhp is the standard intercooler good for ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 360 to 400max at close 400 they really can start struggle on hot day or heavily heat soaked car, bar & plate larger core solutions & ones with new scoop designs can handle closer to 500hp if have to but ideally want water injection to run with it so intake temps are kept very safe allowing push ignition mapping more . Modern controlled water injection uses very little water so you would only fill up when filling fuel for example. over 400hp then front mounts tend be best solution and cost to potential hp handling is way cheaper . What power do you require & what changes to the car do you want make !? It not just about cutting/trimming, some people don't like loosing the design feature & function of the top mount & scoop or like fact car can be returned totally stock with simple nut, bolt, screw removal . Horses for coarses and personal choice within reason .
September 5, 20169 yr Author Haha is there a recommended fmic to look at ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 5, 20169 yr http://www.mishimoto.co.uk/mishimoto-universal-intercooler-j-line.html small but good for 500bhp
September 5, 20169 yr Author Have you got to cut much with this one ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 5, 20169 yr 400+ is the middle point between the 2, tmic solutions can handle it if that way you want go, Lot of sti's run around the 380 to 420 on standard tmic but I would use water injection and thermal barriers with it or upgrade tmic core to keep thermal stress minimal & safety & tuning potential good .
September 5, 20169 yr Injectors themselves not hard but whole system takes a little while as has water tank & pump plus controller, wiring & control switch/water level indicator.
September 5, 20169 yr Author Are all of you mechanics or something hahah you know everything there is to know about scoobys lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 5, 20169 yr There is zero point in going water injection at that level of tune. Sack off the TMIC and get a FMIC fitted.
September 5, 20169 yr Author I think that's what I'm going to do now just get it over and done with Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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