Dovo1 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I am new to modding subarus and I currently have a 2007 hawk eye Impreza wrx 2.5ltr and it's currently stock sitting about 220bhp is there any fairly cheap mods I can do to make more power ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay762 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Depends on what you define as cheap - having lived in Scotland for many years I would say the answer is no..... 😁 However consider: High flow panel filter New higher flow fuel pump Decat down pipe higher flowing exhaust system (cannot remember if you have x2 cats or not) Remap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dovo1 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 I also live in Scotland and I noticed the car has a k&n panel filter not sure how old it is and thanks I'll look into the other parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay762 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Well the K&N will have a 100K miles lifespan so a quick clean out and it should be fine - keep a camera handy and feel free to create a thread in the build section, share your progress 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSSCOSM Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Where are you in scotland mate? Exhaust fuel pump map as jay said easy 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dovo1 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 I'm in Dumfries and Galloway and which fuel pump would you recommend ? id show you guys a pic of the Subaru but it gives me an error when trying to upload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay762 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I currently have a DW https://www.tarmacsportz.co.uk/wrx-sti-deatschwerks-fuel-pumps.html These chaps are Edinburgh based https://trackformula.co.uk/product-category/fluid-transfer-solutions/fuel-pumps-filters-regulators-other/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dovo1 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Thanks again would I have to get a map with the new fuel pump or would it run just as well without it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay762 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 not the fuel pump, as soon as you touch the exhaust with the higher flowing panel up front that is when I suggest you get the map done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dovo1 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Oh thank god haha don't really have the money for a remap just yet thank you all for the help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siluro Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I own the same car and had it mapped. Best money i have spent on it so far. Completely stock bar panel filter and back box. Now it produces 270bhp and 345 ft-lb on Bp Ultimate. Your could get more with 99 ron Vpower but not much i guess. Car is night and day different. Just save (after you have road taxed it of course £535 really hurts) and get it mapped. If your goner add any boltons do that first then map it. I have since put Brembo front calipers on her and 2 piece 330mm disks and now she also stops much better too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSSCOSM Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Cool man im in glasgow so not exactly next door i got my car remapped for 240 was just an open source road map but have had no issues what so ever with it. Guy in east kilbride done it another member on here used him aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dovo1 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Thanks for all the reply guys really appreciate them all my plan was to get a front mount then upgrade the fuelling system and possibly a new turbo before the map but big dreams I guess 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Decat, panel filter, map and maybe a fuel pump and thats about all you wanna do before you start risking the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siluro Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Your biggest issue is finding the right mapper. I asked after being mapped (did research) and I got answers I did not want to hear about this person. One thing I would recommend is that the mapper does both rolling road and normal public road mapping. This is good advice from Tidgy which I did not know till too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Siluro said: Your biggest issue is finding the right mapper. I asked after being mapped (did research) and I got answers I did not want to hear about this person. One thing I would recommend is that the mapper does both rolling road and normal public road mapping. This is good advice from Tidgy which I did not know till too late. It's a shame there is so much false info out there and cowboys. Go on FB and peoples names get branded about as being great, yet go on forums (that have been around waaaay longer than FB) and you find those names don't dare post on them anymore as they have been shown to be cowboys. Few key things for mapping, 1. Dyno maps should always be road tested after being finished. Dyno's are good tuning/diagnostic tools but arn't 100% road simulation 2. Faults can not be mapper round. Sensors are a common one that fail, if one has dropped, it needs to be repalced prior to mapping. 3. It's not all about power. This is for two reasons, 1 the harder you push it, the more likley to fail it is, 2 drive ability will make more difference to have it performs than 5 or 10 extra BHP 4. A decent map takes time, if they claim to be done within 30 mins its highly likley they have rushed it (although i do know very very rare occasions this isn't the case), so if its a 'mapping day' it's doubtful they will take the proper time to map it because doing a proper map can, if things dont go easy, take several hours or more. Slight explanation for the caveat point 4 (ok long explanation haha). Experienced mappers typically start with a base file they apply to the car and then tweak it to suit.. Mappers will see hundreds of cars over a year, say they do only 2 cars a week, that's 104 cars. if they map for 10 years thats 1040 maps they have in their library. So if you take an example of an 2005 sti, with decat, panel fiter and fuel pump (pretty much the starting point of modding) the experienced mapper will prob have 20-50 maps of exactly the same spec car and mods. So they will have a good library of base maps to start from. base maps typically have lower boost, less timing advance and more fuel than the final map (much safer but lower performing map). Those are the perimeters that the mapper can adjust to improve the map for different cars. Or the mapper may take a conservative map he's done before and use that. So you might be saying, the mods are the same so the alterations must be the same for a car with the same setup. The bad news is that isn't the case and that comes from personal experience and im not even a mapper. I used to have a 1999 UK turbo, i ended up having a stand alone autronics ecu fitted to it, so the standard ecu was remove and autronics unit fitted. I sold that ecu to a mate for his car that was same year, very similar milage, same model and same mods (decat and panel filter at the time iirc). Knowing the maps may be out it was swapped at a rolling road day and the car went straight onto the dyno for a check. The run ended up being terminated halfway through the first pull, it was lean, timing was off and it was detting. The ecu was removed and refitted later just before it was mapped (due to a license on the ecu). So now i've waffled on about what seems irrelevant to why very occasionally cars can be mapped in minutes here's the answer, very very occasionally a map is applied and it just works. If the mapper tries to add more timing, the engine dets, he adds fuel, it dets, adds more boost it dets. So the map that gets applied is as good as its gonna get for that car at that stage. But as said this is very very rare the map applied is that spot on.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSSCOSM Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 What do they mean by a licensed map why does it need a license? (Ano prob a daft ? Lol) I was out for about an hour and a half on the road when I done mine not gonna say whether the guy was amazing or not cause Im not as research as tidgy on this matter, but with what ive read on your post im not concerned all seamed fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siluro Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Siluro said: Your biggest issue is finding the right mapper. I asked after being mapped (did research) and I got answers I did not want to hear about this person. One thing I would recommend is that the mapper does both rolling road and normal public road mapping. This is good advice from Tidgy which I did not know till too late. Just to add the car has covered 15k since being mapped and is fine no issues what so ever except the speeding ticket I got. I had to do a speed aware course so dodged the points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSSCOSM Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Siluro said: Just to add the car has covered 15k since being mapped and is fine no issues what so ever except the speeding ticket I got. I had to do a speed aware course so dodged the points. Haha I done that course aswell was lucky enough to get caught in england scottish plod just fine you straight away 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, ROSSCOSM said: What do they mean by a licensed map why does it need a license? (Ano prob a daft ? Lol) I was out for about an hour and a half on the road when I done mine not gonna say whether the guy was amazing or not cause Im not as research as tidgy on this matter, but with what ive read on your post im not concerned all seamed fine Ecutek software license, basically a mapping software that is used, interestingly the origins of open source stuff is cracked versions of ecutek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siluro Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 That's why the 1st map is pricey cause you buying a licence as well I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Siluro said: That's why the 1st map is pricey cause you buying a licence as well I believe. open source doenst have that inital bump, ecutek is about £175 for a license. but is a one time only purchae for the ecu, which is why there is value in a mapped ecu, even if the map is no use. As far as which to go for, personaly i'd always go Ecutek. If you have an issue with the software (which is nothing to do with the mapper) then the mapper can call the help line and get it put right. In fact i had that very issue with a strange maf overvolt, turned out to be a glltch in the ecutek software which is now patched so i dont get a EML and neither does anyone else for that issue. If it was open source, unlucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSSCOSM Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Why pay for software in 2020 just go on a torrent site 😂🤣😂 thats a joke obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, ROSSCOSM said: Why pay for software in 2020 just go on a torrent site 😂🤣😂 thats a joke obviously. hahaha, i thought torrent was 2000's? dam im old 😞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSSCOSM Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 🤣😂🤣 it was ive not had a p.c since the late 2000’s though lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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